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04-17-2009, 03:56 PM
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Well, for one, I'm not putting the words in any ones mouth, I'm quoting many people who have told me they just don't have any confidence in Saine to be a very good back, many have told me they think he's a bust, therefore I am not putting the words in any ones mouth. Please elaborate on how you think that I am putting the words in ANYONES mouth on this forum?
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Elaborating for you: so you are quoting Mr. Many? So you 'quote' [use the exact words of] without quotation marks, by just sayin' "many" and "who have told me"???
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Secondly, I am not allowed to give my input without asking a question? I don't understand what you mean by that.
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asking a question is a way of confirming your meaning, or requesting you explain further. More complex questions include those about how your words work together in a thing known basically as 'reasoning' [aka using logic, thinking].
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Thirdly, I will tell you what is or isn't off topic, for one; this post is completely off topic as it does not have anything to do with 'Brandon Saine', besides the fact that you are replying to my post about him.
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if you demand to be the Topic Teller, and absolute Topic Controller...then [only logically], there is no "discussing"...just Your Tellings.
you see, normally, each person has choice, and ability to use reason to 'discuss'. It's an...exchange of info & ideas, not Your Dictation to the board.
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I'd like to see you start acting mature for a change and quit coming on here to try and critique what people say, or do. I see somewhere around 1 out of 5 of your posts having anything to actually do with the topic at hand.
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you could start by looking up the term "maturity". Then, Google 'mature behavior', to give your self some definitions to use to compare behaviors with definitions.
that is, if you choose to "start acting mature for a change"...
Last edited by Buck68; 04-17-2009 at 03:58 PM.
Reason: using quote feature to quote you, yourself, specifically
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04-17-2009, 04:14 PM
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back to Brandon Saine.
1-has the size [6'0], weight [212] and speed [4.3; 10.4] 'measureables'; and combined, probably the best in the B10.
2-he catches the ball very well.
3-blocking? Haven't heard much
4-'hits the hole'? Well, tried to discuss the schemes, coaches' basic choices, and intangibles of this factor. Until we arrive at a reasonable understanding IN COMMON so people are communicating effectively, this very large factor in Performance Assessment, remains...VAGUE.
5-'vision'. Since 'looking' is related to how you look [percpetion] and what you are supposed to be looking for [coaching, scheme, technique choices]...again, definition would be helpful.
we do alot of 'feeling', 'telling', and 'concluding'...BEFORE we reach basic understanding on...basics.
backwards...IF we want to 'discuss' the topic, that is.
As for Brandon Saine...give him 50 practice reps in a single back or split back scheme that includes inside tackle, sweep, trap, misdirection runs, and a mix of passes...and you have 'enough' to assess his skillset.
not 50 reps of your fav 3 plays from the I formation v a D that knows what's coming. That's not 'preparing' or 'competing'...that's reps of "just as expected".
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04-17-2009, 07:03 PM
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It is very simple for Saine..........if Saine is healthy he can be a weapon.......right now he is healthy and looks like a different player than the one we saw last fall............he needs to stay healthy in the fall and not miss practice time........if I remember correctly, he missed 25+ practices last year........
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04-17-2009, 07:52 PM
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He caught Brian Rolle from behind when Rolle picked up a fumble during practice and raced 60yds. Rolle is no slow guy by any means.
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04-18-2009, 07:30 PM
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Saine was a track star in high school. I doubt anyone is going to run away from him.
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04-19-2009, 10:49 AM
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Sounded like he had a good day yesterday. Like to hear that!!!
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04-19-2009, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by OSUBasketballJunkie
It is very simple for Saine..........if Saine is healthy he can be a weapon.......right now he is healthy and looks like a different player than the one we saw last fall............he needs to stay healthy in the fall and not miss practice time........if I remember correctly, he missed 25+ practices last year........
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To me, OSUBasketballJunkie, a logical challenge is both fun and positively stimulating for beneficial objectives.
So, i read your first line!
Applying logic, i asked my self how i would find out, verify, your statment. If i wanted to know what "is very simple for Saine"...then i'd ask him, and observe him, and compare what he says to what he does.
Then i read the rest of your post and continuing asking myself questions about your CONTENT. i can also 'set a standard' for performance [e.g. 'excellence'] or potential ['can be a weapon'] or any objective / goal i choose. Then, i can compare what a person says and does to that 'standard'.
however, there are many ways of 'comparing'. There's 'feeling whatever' [the most popular], 'projection' [how whatever i feel is the way He Is], logic, an hierarchy of milestones/benchmarks toward a goal, "individualized conditioning plan" like Lichter does...].
so, there's MY perception, or reason; there's 'walk to talk'; there's standards to measure, and there's measurement processes....
everybody's got 'em. However, the differences in what they are, how people perceive them, what they say about them, and how they use them...are ...
...a ... Celebration of Diversity. In other words, rationally, they are a blizzard of inherent and chosen conflicts.
this is nothing more than common sense, or...what 'wise' people have said thoroughout the era of man.
====you say: if Saine is healthy he can be a weapon
so i try to logically consider your statement in very basic ways:
1-If "health" is a factor, is health the ONLY factor? The DECISIVE factor? What are the factors in "weapon", and how do they 'fit together'?
2-Who controls what defines a "weapon"? Coach T, then the staff; player perceptions are a factor; the individual MOST controls his choices, attitude, effort...perseverance....
3-OK, let's assume you 'are a weapon'...a very fine weapon of great capabilities. That, by itself, means very little. Why? Well, the weapon [thing] just SITS THERE and 'is' ...until some PERSON uses it.
4-One little obvious point: the difference between 'be' and 'do'...provokes a whole HOST of questions about "how" to use.
and so forth....
===========>so, i 'took alot of time' [mine] to describe something we each can choose to 'think about' any time, using a process NOBODY OWNS [reason] and we all understand to some degree...
IOW...just the basic, common, available means to DISCUSS BUCKEYE FOOTBALL...
instead of the more popular, natural...'how i feel'.
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04-19-2009, 12:36 PM
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OSU notebook: Healthy Saine impresses
Running back shows more speed, power
Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:26 AM
By Ken Gordon and Tim May
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said Brandon Saine never flunked the 2008 season, but his grade card was incomplete.
After Saine, a junior tailback, turned in an impressive performance in the jersey scrimmage yesterday, carrying 17 times for 84 yards, Tressel said Saine's troubles last season were because of injury, not inability.
"We always say that you never want to evaluate a freshman or a guy that's injured," Tressel said. "If you think back to when Brandon has been healthy, he's been very solid. I thought he ran the ball very well today."
Saine showcased the speed for which he's best known, sprinting 18 yards around the corner on his third carry, and also some improved power and physicality. He gained 6 yards on back-to-back carries through the middle, and later pounded for 2 yards to convert a third-and-1.
Continued................
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04-19-2009, 12:57 PM
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Saine's 40 yard dash time
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Saine was a track star in high school. I doubt anyone is going to run away from him.
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I know back in 2007 he was:
Officially timed at 4.4
Unofficially timed at 4.25
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04-19-2009, 08:09 PM
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yes, Junkie...there's the story, the storyline...and the rest of the story. ;-{)}
as for any player, "health" is part of the story.
as for any person, it's more like the JT saying, "life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% what you do about it."
Speilman put it in basic "see ball, get ball" terms when he said, "football is 90% mental".
Coach Tressel is very careful and protective of his people and his program.
As for Brandon Saine, he recently provided one small piece of the tip of the iceberg when he said that last year he wasn't taking the coaches' instructions regarding warmups seriously enough.
On the outside, it starts with the first clue....
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