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Old 04-15-2009, 10:11 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I was talking about Beanie to APPLY YOUR CRITERIA you had written for Boom.

the rest of what you missed follows reasonably, given our first miss.

please consider re-reading what i posted about the basic coaching world conflict between 'hit the hole' and 'run to daylight' schools of thought.

how a Coach tells his RB to execute the play, comes from his 'school of thought' about how the play should be executed. In the late 90's there were some raging debates between Coach Tim Spencer and players/coaches about this very topic.

But, if you do not want to recognize the rational difference between has vision, and comparing and contrasting how to use vision, then we are each left with 'having a feeling'.

of course you can feel that way, but i'm not trying to put words in my [your] mouth". I'm trying to get to a common understanding of what you said, and communicate about what i said.

unless we each gain an understanding of what the other means...we're just sayin' words, feelin' whatever. To me, that's a waste of time.
You seem to be the only one on this forum who has trouble understanding people's posts, other than those who can't understand what ever the point you are trying to make is
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I was talking about Beanie to APPLY YOUR CRITERIA you had written for Boom.

the rest of what you missed follows reasonably, given our first miss.

please consider re-reading what i posted about the basic coaching world conflict between 'hit the hole' and 'run to daylight' schools of thought.

how a Coach tells his RB to execute the play, comes from his 'school of thought' about how the play should be executed. In the late 90's there were some raging debates between Coach Tim Spencer and players/coaches about this very topic.

But, if you do not want to recognize the rational difference between has vision, and comparing and contrasting how to use vision, then we are each left with 'having a feeling'.

of course you can feel that way, but i'm not trying to put words in my [your] mouth". I'm trying to get to a common understanding of what you said, and communicate about what i said.

unless we each gain an understanding of what the other means...we're just sayin' words, feelin' whatever. To me, that's a waste of time.
good vision and quickness, it's basic football knowledge, someone with good vision in football terms is someone who can see the whole field, someone who has quick eyes who can adjust quickly(quickness) to obstacles, such as defensive linemen.

In terms of "hitting the hole" or "busting out a large run", there is a difference between running through the hole your offensive line has made for you and bouncing back to try and hit a home run, which is something that seemed to haunt Beanie at times in his career(sometimes he had trouble just getting positive yards, because he would go for the the 'home run' play and try and do it all on his own)
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good vision and quickness, it's basic football knowledge, someone with good vision in football terms is someone who can see the whole field, someone who has quick eyes who can adjust quickly(quickness) to obstacles, such as defensive linemen.

In terms of "hitting the hole" or "busting out a large run", there is a difference between running through the hole your offensive line has made for you and bouncing back to try and hit a home run, which is something that seemed to haunt Beanie at times in his career(sometimes he had trouble just getting positive yards, because he would go for the the 'home run' play and try and do it all on his own)
Gotta say I think that was mostly due to O line play, not because he tried to do what he wasnt supposed to.
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You seem to be the only one on this forum who has trouble understanding people's posts, other than those who can't understand what ever the point you are trying to make is
agree there is a whole bunch of "seemings" going on, by a whole bunch of "only one's". But why digress to such complexities...however popular and CYA?

why not KISS...each of us, speak for just our self. Each of us EXPLAIN to the other, rather than TELLING or SEEMING about how the other guy..."has trouble understanding".

this is the same concept as the Buckeye tradition of "avoiding and minimizing mistakes". It's just as rationally dumb now, after a zillion reps, as when first said. Anybody yet found a real play named "avoid a mistake, one 1"?

and the "you seem to be the only one" is the same game as we used to play in grade school recess: odd man out. Sure we can all play that game...but...what if 'the idea' is to understand something...about Buckeye football?
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your words mix things that rationally are not compatible. Part of it is your construction.

example: "good vision" is NOT "knowledge"; vision is a sensory capability of the eyes, nerves, and parts of the brain, governed instinctively and ...by choice. "Knowledge" is a spectrum of understanding of an abstract, physical, and/or intangible thing. So, to rephrase, a person can know how vision works; but, vision is vision, not knowledge. Now, of course, you'd make a VERY useful point by suggesting that, since it's popular to use words however a person feels, instead of according to a common definition...confusion reigns...by choice. ;-{)}

example: "good vision" is a general term; it does not rationally presume a person with this sensory ability can "see the whole field"...UNLESS...you choose to define it that precise way for purposes of communiating something.

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In terms of "hitting the hole" or "busting out a large run", there is a difference between running through the hole your offensive line has made for you and bouncing back to try and hit a home run, which is something that seemed to haunt Beanie at times in his career(sometimes he had trouble just getting positive yards, because he would go for the the 'home run' play and try and do it all on his own)
I'd like to leave the "hauntings" and other such emotional terms out, in favor of describing What Is Going On [WIGO]...in order to KISS...so each can more easily understand what the other is trying to say.

Here, your words suggest that if the OL has in reality 'made a hole' where the play assignment called for, that this somehow governs whether the RB will "go for the homerun"...or not. Where do you get such stuff? I was describing HOW Beanie found THE REAL HOLE...whether it was where the play called for...or where a hole developed...after the snap. Isn't it 'the idea' to RUN WHERE THE HOLE IS...? This was essentially the REALITY debate between the two schools of coaches: 'do the assignment, no questions; ie hit the play hole, regardless...and the 'run to daylight' school, which says...'hey boys & girls...find the real hole and run through it.'

you might consider what "VISION" a player needs to hit the playcall diagrammed hole no matter what...compared to the "VISION" required to actually find where the hold actually is in the actual playing going on after the actual snap.
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Gotta say I think that was mostly due to O line play, not because he tried to do what he wasnt supposed to.
do we know each player's assignment on the playcall in question?

do we know what the coaches' guidance to the RB is if there is no hole where the playcall diagram calls for...?

===without this "knowledge", where do these "mostly dues" and did/didn't "try to do what he was supposed to" ... come from, and what do you mean by them?

===say you're a soldier in a squad on recon, looking for a gap in the enemy defenses so you can get through and reach your objective: to scout a bunker a mile past the FLOT. Your planned ingress route is through a ravine. You get there and discover there's an enemy machine gun nest covering it. Do you 'have good vision' and run through the ravine...or look for a gap in the FLOT to get through...so you can get to your objective?
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Are you having trouble reading what I said?

"Good Vision in football terms" does not mean that "vision is common knowledge", what I was saying that you again failed to understand is that "vision in football terms is commonly used for BLANK".

Again, let me re-iterate. "good vision and quickness, it's basic football knowledge, someone with good vision in football terms is someone who can see the whole field, someone who has quick eyes who can adjust quickly(quickness) to obstacles, such as defensive linemen." What you are assuming I am saying, even though I went out of my way to tell you that I did not mean the general word 'vision'.

Again, if you want people to actually respect your opinion and take you seriously I'd suggest you actually try and post something football related instead of trying to piss people off and or pick fights, I have zero respect for you because all you do is try and act smart when in fact most of what you say makes absolutely no sense and is not related in any way to the topic at hand.

Regardless, the amount of people who have put you on ignore has gone up one person.
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Are you having trouble reading what I said?

"Good Vision in football terms" does not mean that "vision is common knowledge", what I was saying that you again failed to understand is that "vision in football terms is commonly used for BLANK".

Again, let me re-iterate. "good vision and quickness, it's basic football knowledge, someone with good vision in football terms is someone who can see the whole field, someone who has quick eyes who can adjust quickly(quickness) to obstacles, such as defensive linemen." What you are assuming I am saying, even though I went out of my way to tell you that I did not mean the general word 'vision'.

Again, if you want people to actually respect your opinion and take you seriously I'd suggest you actually try and post something football related instead of trying to piss people off and or pick fights, I have zero respect for you because all you do is try and act smart when in fact most of what you say makes absolutely no sense and is not related in any way to the topic at hand.

Regardless, the amount of people who have put you on ignore has gone up one person.

OK, if you insist, you really don't understand the basics. Not because you cannot, but because you will not. It's always been each person's call.

LOL. One more IGNORant person, won't change the statistical average ... ;-{)}
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How do u put him on ignore. I started a petition to ban him a while ago and tht didnt work. He does the same thing on bucknutz my friend said.
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